Episode 136: Fired for Being the Worst Agent in America. Then Made it to The Top of the Table 36 Years in a Row.

May 21, 2026

Van Mueller’s story shouldn’t work. He failed his insurance licensing exam three times, spent 16 years as a self-described “cancer” in his agency, and was eventually fired — by three branch managers simultaneously. Then, in his 17th year, a mentor gave him a single directive that changed everything: stop worrying about yourself and start taking care of people.

 

The result? 36 consecutive years at Top of the Table, speaking engagements around the world, and a reputation as one of the most effective question-based sales trainers in the insurance and financial services industry.

 

In this episode, Van sits down with host Scott Heinila to share the framework, the mindset, and the exact questions that have driven his career — and how any advisor can apply them starting today.

 

In this episode:

The 5 core conversation topics every advisor should be raising with every client

Why “process” questions outperform product pitches every single time

How Van got a $600,000 client by asking one question in a grocery store

The IRA/401(k) question that stops people cold — and opens the door to a full planning conversation

Why Americans love to buy but hate to be sold — and how to position yourself on the right side of that

The three things every advisor must do to build a thriving practice: appointments, inspiration, and finding the money

How Van’s newsletter delivers ready-to-use questions and tax insights advisors can deploy immediately

Why repetition — not more product knowledge — is the real key to mastery

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